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[Wolfe]

fwd sucked when we were kidz, nuthing has changed

[1caintegra]

Originally Posted by Wolfe

fwd sucked when we were kidz, nuthing has changed

fwd suck when ur looking at the back of one of my cars

[Wolfe]

Originally Posted by 1caintegra

fwd suck when ur looking at the back of one of my cars

sure, looking at the back of it wondering why a fwd car has a big a$$ wing on it?

[1caintegra]

lame there no rice my dd would mostley pwn u around a track silly 240

[Wolfe]

Originally Posted by 1caintegra

lame there no rice my dd would mostley pwn u around a track silly 240

YEH, that rear wing would really help you maintain traction because of the down force over the drive wheels.....oh, wait...FWD....

Bring it on any time you wan't to try me. cones, road course, drift....wait its FWD you can't drift.

Just teasing you everyone knows FWD is bad to the bone thats why all the indy cars, stock cars and dragsters are FWD, oh wait, thats right, they arn't.

[1caintegra]

wow i cant drift damn i alway wanted too. both my wing are stock so what and there is fwd dragster turn on ur tv.i have a hard time with u beating me around a track or in a straight line if that what ur in too traction problem and all.i like rwd i just dont like when ppl talk shit about fwd when they dont know build a car and find out.

[Wolfe]

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.
You are assuming that I have no clue. On the contrary, I have been in morotsports for 18 years, have taken courses at bondurants, ford, bmw, nissan, and gm for performance driving. I have run acroos may FWD platforms that do well. None of them however do as well in their field as their RWD counterparts. For example, when is the last time you saw a real "performance" car that was a FWD?
corvette? no
camaro? no
mustang? no
ferrari? no
lambo? no
koenigsegg? no
austin martin? no
subaru? no
mitsubishi? no
nissan? no
toyota? no
bmw? no
why is that?
because the truth of the matter is that a tire can only provide %100 energy,
and that %100 must be spread out between grip, acceleration, and decelleration.
so with that being said, if your taking off the line and your front tires are spinning(accelleration) and you turn your wheel, what happens? understeer, because your front tires are giving %85 percent to accelleration and only %15 to grip(traction). Now lets apply that same thing to the track. You go in to a corner hard and hit your brakes shifting the cars weight forward on to your front tires and turn the wheel (decelleration and then grip) then you start to turn and accellerate out (accelleration and grip) but what happens if you jam on the gas? understeer and your front end keeps going straight wich means you have to let off the gas to give some of that %100 back to grip so you can make your turn.
Now look at a RWD car. Same deal. You nail the gas hard to the floor and the back tires start to spin, you turn the wheel. now, your fronts have 100% of their energy for traction so the car turns, but the rears start to slide out because the tires energy is getting burned up in acceleration. now lets talk about the same instance going in to our hard turn. you lay on the brakes wich shifts the cars weight forward on to your front tires, your car turns because 80% of the energy of the front tires goes in to the turn and 20% is being scrubbed off in braking. you start to accelerate and the weight shifts to the rear of the car giving %100 of the tires energy to accelleration an the fronts stay at %80 for traction (the 20% is no longer lost in braking, its now lost in the weight shift) and the car turns. to much accelleration and what happens? oversteer. How do you counter that? countersteer. and the car comes out of the turn at a higher rate of speed. (like a indy car)
now, I may have my %'s off by a little, but pick up the books in the speed secrets series (Amazon.com: speed secrets) specificaly the first one. READ IT.

and then listen to some MC Hammer, cause if its on a road course, on a autocross course or on the street, like the song says, you can't touch this.

[1caintegra]

um u made alot of good points nice write up.everyone knows rwd can handel more power easier because of weight transfer.and easier to drive for dd u put 300whp ing fwd u have problems driving anywhere.thats y alot of manufacturers are going awd.but for instance in auto-x is designed for tight driving which u know, but think about this, mid corner coming out of that corner ur exiting ur acceleration, points are later on then fwd car would be.im pulled out of corners ur pushing in- it more about setup any car can do anything

[Wolfe]

wow that was really hard to read.

agree to dissagree?

[CT9A GSR BBY]

Thats a big improvement. Looks good